with Swami Muktananda
Ranjung Rigpe Dorje
This was wonderful Instruction, which allowed me to understand a great deal about how such great beings, including Adi Da operated. They might hear about something in passing only, and therefore not put sufficient attention on that matter to “get” its significance. So many things might come their way in the course of any day, and because they were alive on many levels and not just the material dimension, they would notice things that a normal person might not. But in order to fully receive the import of many things, what was required was their focus be brought directly to that matter. The extraordinary awareness that they had to see the deeper levels of things required that they really give something their attention.
We also brought with us to Boise a very large framed 16″x20” murti photograph of Adi Da, so that in viewing Adi Da’s Picture, he would have the opportunity to really see Him.
We spoke through a Tibetan devotee of the Karmapa who served as translator. And also there was Jamgon Kongtrul, a great lama in his own right, and a principal lineage holder in the Kagyu tradition. So there were the five of us. We were on the second floor of the Open Path Dharma Centre. The Karmapa sat on a raised platform-like chair, and the rest of us sat on the floor before him.
Milerepa, Marpa and Gampopa
As Adi Da Requested, we invited him to see Adi Da at the Mountain of Attention Sanctuary in California. Adi Da had already given lots of instructions for hosting the Karmapa and the monks in his traveling party. He suggested in these notes that there was nothing that He and Karmapa had to “do” with one another. It was really more just like being in the same space. "Maybe we should just watch TV together” Adi Da joked.
The Karmapa immediately and warmly accepted the invitation to come to see Adi Da. He was very definite about it, and very happy. At Adi Da’s Instruction, we also mentioned that Adi Da might be at Da Love-Ananda Mahal, another Adidam Sanctuary, at some times, and that he was invited to visit there as well. The Karmapa immediately said that he would also come there, for sure. He said that the tour that he was presently on was already fully arranged with all of its itinerary, but that the very next time he came to the West, he would come to see Adi Da in both places. You could feel how he relished this idea.
Adi Da Samraj and the
Ranjung Rigpe Dorje
The Sixteenth Karmapa
16th Karampa and Jamgon Kongtrul
Ranjung Rigpe Dorje
The meeting took place on a Saturday in the afternoon, and we had told Adi Da the exact time of the meeting so that He could have His Attention on it.
When we presented the Murti photograph of Adi Da to the Karmapa, He did a double take. In other words, he looked at it, and then he turned his head away, and then he turned and looked again at it with great intensity. It felt like he could not believe what he was looking at at first, but then got it, and received the Darshan of Adi Da. It felt like at that moment his attention was brought to Adi Da. As Adi Da had told us he would, he could tell who Adi Da was. The Karmapa became immediately very happy, and began laughing and smiling as he continued to look at the picture, very animated and alive. He was totally energized by seeing Adi Da’s picture, and of course at this exact time, Adi Da had His Attention on the meeting and on the Karmapa. The whole room was filled with wonderful Presence.
From that moment on,
the mood of the meeting
was everything we could
have hoped for. The
Karmapa very eagerly
listened to all we had to say.
It felt like a real and genuine
connection was being made
between these two
The Karmapa's laughter and happiness was infectious and he gave instructions, as the meeting went on, for the other monks that were with him to also view Adi Da’s Murti. They were in a room just adjoining the room we were in, but around the corner. When the Murti of Adi Da was brought into the room where they were sitting, we could hear their “oohs and awes” and laughter. It was clear that they too could feel that something very special was happening with this meeting with this Master, and the Karmapa was including the lamas who traveled with him in this remarkable event and its energy.
In my presentation to the Karmapa there was a great deal of very high Dharma described. I went through Adi Da’s Own Sadhana and Life. And also the Sacred History of His Work. I described His Realization in terms that were very akin to highest Buddhism. I talked about the transcendence of attention itself.
His Holiness Received all of this very warmly and with what appeared to be full comprehension. He made periodic comments as the presentation was being made. When He received the white hat, he really lit up, especially when he noticed the large diamond. He immediately also put it on his head for a moment, smiling and beaming with reception of Bhagavan Adi Da’s energy that came with the hat.
Avatar Adi Da, 1979
The next morning, Sunday, we were invited to attend a Black Crown ceremony with the Karmapa in the same house. It was downstairs in the main Shrine room, and there were perhaps 60 people there. Even with this small group in attendance, the Black Crown ceremony was done with full pomp and show. The highlight of the ceremony is when, with Tibetan trumpets blaring, the Karmapa takes the Black Crown from its box and puts it on his head.
After the Black Crown ceremony, we flew by airplane back to San Francisco. Adi Da asked to meet with us there at a devotee's house, to continue the discussion about the meeting with the Karmapa.
Adi Da had been in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco during the early morning and we were all gathered waiting for Him in front of His Chair in the living room. As He walked past us to go into His room to get changed He said, “What are you all doing here? You were supposed to come tomorrow, not today.”
And as He said this, with an edge of criticism, He “got me” for an instant. Of course, after that first moment I realized He was joking, but He had undermined me and moved me beyond any fixed orientation. And having just seen the Karmapa that weekend, and even that morning, I realized that the Karmapa could not have done this with me in the same way.
I had read a lot of Tibetan books in preparation for meeting the Karmapa, and the teachings, translated into English and often explained in easy ways to receive, made it seem to me that Tibetan Buddhism was simply another Spiritual offering. But when I met with the Karmapa himself and heard him speak, in the Tibetan language and with his Tibetan mannerisms, I realized that he was from a completely different and foreign culture with a totally different idiom of expression. And I knew that I needed a Teacher or Master who was going to be able to know me, a westerner, and understand how I operated. Only in that way, would he be able to deal with me where I truly “lived”.
Sadly, the Karmapa never made a “next tour” of the West and so the physical meeting with Adi Da Samraj never occurred. He was to pass away still in the midst of the same tour the next year, in Chicago on November 5th, 1981. A letter and gifts from Adi Da were sent to be used in the cremation ceremony of the Karmapa. They were delivered into the hands of Jamgon Kongtrul, who had been in the meeting in Boise, and had seen something of the relationship between Adi Da and the 16th Karmapa. Jamgon Kongtrul received the gifts and letter from Adi Da in the airport in Chicago, as he was waiting to board an airplane going back to Rumtek Monastery, in Sikkim, where the cremation ceremony was to occur. (Jamgon Konrgtrul himself passed away in car accident in 1992. )
It was clear to Craig and I that the real meeting between Adi Da and the Karmapa had happened at a level prior to our verbal discussion—directly, in the Spiritual dimensions. This was confirmed when we reported about the meeting to Adi Da. Avatar Adi Da said that the meeting had gone well at the deeper level connection between Himself and the Karmapa. This was not the kind of thing that Adi Da often said. He listened to the details of the meeting, but said that He already knew what had happened. He was pleased with the meeting.
What it felt like to me, as one participating in this meeting, was that the Karmapa was free enough that he could “meet” or connect with Adi Da prior to human politics, or lineages, or religious or Spiritual Institutions. His involvement was simply at the level of direct recognition of Adi Da and connection to Him. It felt to us that something very simple but profound had happened in this connection. It was happy and positive, like it should truly always be.
In November 1980, Craig Lesser and I visited the 16th Gyalwa Karmapa, Ranchung Rigpa Dorje, in Boise, Idaho, USA.
It was arranged as a formal meeting between Adi Da Samraj (then Da Free John) and Adidam, (then known as the Advaitayana Buddhist Fellowship), and the 16th Karmapa, Ranjung Rigpe Dorje and the Karma Kagyu tradition. Adi Da Samraj asked us to have this meeting on His behalf. The 16th Karmapa was known to be a very great Realizer, with a broad sense of humor and one the greatest Spiritual Beings of the 20th century.
Craig Lesser was friends with a woman named Barbara Pettee who lived in Palo Alto and worked with many lamas (gurus) of the Tibetan Buddhist tradition. The meeting was arranged by her.
Boise, Idaho was chosen specifically because we felt that because it was a smaller city, not as much would be going on with the Karmapa, and therefore he would have more available free time.
"Bright Behind Me" – Adi Da's residence
Ranjung Rigpe Dorje
We also asked the Karmapa a question about Adi Da’s past lives. The Karmapa has the role within the Kagyu tradition of identifying tulkus (lamas who have intentionally reincarnated from a previous lifetime) and is known to have that particular psychic skill. We told him that Adi Da had suggested His deeper personality pattern was associated with Marpa Lotsawa, and asked him if he had any feelings for this, based on his own function as an identifier of past life connections.
His response was very simple. He said that his own knowledge of individuals only went back so far, and that he was not alive at the time of Marpa and therefore he did not know. This was a very literal response. The first of the sixteen Karmapas, Dusum Khyenpa, was a disciple not of Marpa or Milarepa, but of Milarepa’s disciple Gampopa. Therefore, the Karmapa himself extended back only so far, and not to Marpa’s time. This whole discussion was very straightforward. It was clear that the Karmapa had accepted Adi Da and His Realization at a great depth of recognition. The question about Adi Da’s possible connection with one of the greatest figures in his own tradition just felt like an interesting question. It was obvious that the relationship between the Karmapa and Adi Da had already been established at a depth deeper than any kind of verbal discussion.
Avatar Adi Da Samraj, 2008
by James Steinberg
As a major gift, a hat was prepared that was made entirely out of white silk and that included a very large diamond right in the center. Joan Hammerschmidt made the hat. One evening, just before leaving for Boise, Idaho, Craig Lesser and I met with Bhagavan Adi Da in Bright Behind Me, where Adi Da was
then residing, to go
over the trip with
Him. I had brought
a picture of the
Karmapa for Adi Da
to view. He looked
at it intently for
quite a while and
then He said very
pointedly, “I am the kind of person who can tell that he is the kind of person, who will be able to tell who I am. The secret is that you bring his attention to it.” Adi Da looked at and admired the white hat, and then for a moment put it on His Head. It was clearly His Blessing of this gift for the Karmapa. He gave a big warm smile as He looked at Craig and I with the hat on His Head. And then He took it and placed it in the square white box that was prepared for it.
It was a cold and icy time in Boise, with white snow on the ground all around. We arrived by airplane and spent the night at a local hotel.
The next day we traveled over to a house that was the Center of Namgyal Rinpoche, known as the Open Path Dharma Centre. The Karmapa was not staying there, but was using it as a place for meetings.
Adi Da Samraj had Requested
that we make this contact and
connection. He had been
speaking a great deal about
Buddhism and its three yanas,
and He had dubbed the
Reality-Way of the Heart,
Advaitayana Buddhism. This is of course described at length in the book Nirvanasara. It was the fourth turning of the wheel of the law or dharma, a new and unique Revelation by Him. But He felt that it could be seen as a form of Buddhism, a new and unique form, and therefore He felt that it was appropriate for us to visit with Buddhist leaders to discuss all of this. He wanted us to make links.
A full outline or “script” for the meeting was prepared by me, and the typed version of this was given to Adi Da for His Approval and Blessing. There were many Notes and discussions about how the meeting should be conducted, and I felt well-instructed and prepared to represent Bhagavan Adi Da and to present His Wisdom Teaching.
Adi Da had a great regard for the Kagyu tradition, especially in relationship to the Spiritual Masters, Marpa and Milarepa.